tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6693950082152211516.post3411108350511806459..comments2023-10-26T00:08:26.205+01:00Comments on The Boiling Frog: EU's New Treaty - A Great Leap ForwardTheBoilingFroghttp://www.blogger.com/profile/00791961503315586243noreply@blogger.comBlogger19125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6693950082152211516.post-6605479419177671022014-01-14T15:27:04.012+00:002014-01-14T15:27:04.012+00:00I draw you attention to pages from the UK Hansard ...I draw you attention to pages from the UK Hansard regarding the debate re proposed Treaty changes.<br />http://www.publications.parliament.uk/pa/ld201012/ldselect/ldeucom/260/26002.htm<br />Of particular interest see Chapter 5. CHAPTER 5: THE DECEMBER 2011 EUROPEAN COUNCIL AND THE PROPOSALS for treaty change <br /><br />One way out of the EU, as has been suggested is to use the General Election as the REFERENDUM you have been denied, and, as you know all three major Political Parties want to remain in the EU-forever, only vote in those Political Parties or Organisations that want OUT of the EU. I believe it will be the only way we will free ourselves from foreign Rule.Anyoldiroinnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6693950082152211516.post-3823217234591488562014-01-14T13:34:50.258+00:002014-01-14T13:34:50.258+00:00Spot on - schizophonic politics that the Tories ha...Spot on - schizophonic politics that the Tories have mastered over the yearsTheBoilingFroghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00791961503315586243noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6693950082152211516.post-2139037321727222052014-01-14T13:29:28.745+00:002014-01-14T13:29:28.745+00:00Carswell is trying to reconcile completely incompa...Carswell is trying to reconcile completely incompatible things;<br /><br />Being anti-EU and being in the Conservative Party.<br /><br />Being a conservative and being in the Conservative Party.cosmicnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6693950082152211516.post-72089087804393582922014-01-13T15:21:59.883+00:002014-01-13T15:21:59.883+00:00but if you want more Europe, you have to be prepar...but if you want more Europe, you have to be prepared to develop it further<br /><br />We don't.<br /><br />And so on.James Highamhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14525082702330365464noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6693950082152211516.post-18013360774446950152014-01-13T11:56:53.682+00:002014-01-13T11:56:53.682+00:00Thanks for this.
I'm convinced that associate...Thanks for this.<br /><br />I'm convinced that associate membership is the direction we'll be <br />pushed towards. <br /><br />UK politicians won't like it but it will be better than simply leaving the EU, in their view, and they can hope for full membership.<br /><br />It can be sold as the triumph of lengthy and tough negotiations, by a government looking out for the UK's interests. All tosh of course, because it will be something the EU was forced to do anyway and the UK will have relatively little input.<br /><br />In many ways, it's the worst of all worlds, but it's easy to see it presented as the best of both worlds.cosmicnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6693950082152211516.post-5903551819263116872014-01-12T22:39:39.479+00:002014-01-12T22:39:39.479+00:00Thank you John...Thank you John...TheBoilingFroghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00791961503315586243noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6693950082152211516.post-4986830932961945032014-01-12T22:39:02.175+00:002014-01-12T22:39:02.175+00:00Spinelli Group is a very influential think-tank (S...Spinelli Group is a very influential think-tank (Spinelli the architect of the Single European Act 1986 and Maastricht 1992) and it's usually things like this that essentially amount to a starting gun for a new Treaty. This is further confirmed by declarations in last two years by Barroso, Van Rompuy and other EU leaders that a new Treaty is needed.<br /><br />On top of which the draft Treaty proposed by the Spinelli Group was launched by Barroso and Van Rompuy themselves. Adding in Redding’s recent comments I think it’s pretty conclusive that a new Treaty is being planned. A convention (under Article 48) which is the beginning of the formal exercise is looking likely to begin Spring 2015.<br /><br /><br />TheBoilingFroghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00791961503315586243noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6693950082152211516.post-58739937736113145022014-01-12T22:31:55.082+00:002014-01-12T22:31:55.082+00:00Thanks for your kind words Geoff, I'm glad my ...Thanks for your kind words Geoff, I'm glad my blog is of some helpTheBoilingFroghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00791961503315586243noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6693950082152211516.post-29867124997433389902014-01-12T21:39:01.575+00:002014-01-12T21:39:01.575+00:00Thanks for all your efforts, but I do find the com...Thanks for all your efforts, but I do find the comments in DT get out of hand. I enjoy your pieces which are educational.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12385690700474404792noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6693950082152211516.post-4604443704221803552014-01-12T17:20:51.987+00:002014-01-12T17:20:51.987+00:00You are most welcome - I really appreciate your bl...You are most welcome - I really appreciate your blog and have learned a lotAnonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12798312295912888233noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6693950082152211516.post-31097739659944263792014-01-12T17:19:33.571+00:002014-01-12T17:19:33.571+00:00I am able to login now. The Boiling Frog, EURefere...I am able to login now. The Boiling Frog, EUReferendum, Raedwald and Autonomous Mind are my 'required' daily reading. I look at them every day. Anyone who wants to be better informed should read them. I have learned so much and really only thought I was well informed - I am much better informed now.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12798312295912888233noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6693950082152211516.post-129886739797777692014-01-12T16:46:25.291+00:002014-01-12T16:46:25.291+00:00Thank you, you're very kind, Carswell appears ...Thank you, you're very kind, Carswell appears to be turning "native".TheBoilingFroghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00791961503315586243noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6693950082152211516.post-90966042901717672882014-01-12T16:42:23.823+00:002014-01-12T16:42:23.823+00:00Haven't read the 300 pager yet, but nobody has...Haven't read the 300 pager yet, but nobody has yet confirmed if it's more than a think-tank exercise. Some people are reacting as if it was an official Commission proposal.<br /><br />A few pieces of information. Associate Membership is a non-starter under the EU legal framework, as you can't remain in the EU and get powers back. So like the EEA, there could only be a clause to opt out of new provisions.<br /><br />As for "Merkel urged European partners to tackle flaws in their currency union by ceding control over economic policy". Look at any HM Treasury full Budget paper and you'll see it was presented to the European Commission for approval.<br /><br />This is the reality of being in the EU; we have to run our economy for the benefit of Europe, not Britain.<br /><br />Spinwatchnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6693950082152211516.post-45497402520754627862014-01-12T16:38:52.799+00:002014-01-12T16:38:52.799+00:00PS I do have a 'handle' but am having prob...PS I do have a 'handle' but am having problems logging inAnonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12798312295912888233noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6693950082152211516.post-10315014181980516392014-01-12T16:33:13.889+00:002014-01-12T16:33:13.889+00:00Hi
I have just posted this article on the 'Dai...Hi<br />I have just posted this article on the 'Daily Telegraph' Douglas Carswell BlogAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6693950082152211516.post-18789767523439984272014-01-12T15:31:26.099+00:002014-01-12T15:31:26.099+00:00With the caveat that Cameron is still Prime Minist...With the caveat that Cameron is still Prime Minister at the time, and even has a Cabinet providing him with a clear mandate to seek associate membership or to negotiate something quite superior, I suspect the public debate we'll see will still be what we already have.<br /><br />EU senior figures and national leaders who are committed to full integration will continue to speak clearly and unambiguously about their project. The Bloggers will continue to keep up with the narrative.<br /><br />Cameron will make public statements which for all the world make it clear he's either lying or has been turning up to negotiations in a different universe inhabited by fictitious characters. Merckel et al will confirm publically and repeatedly 'He's getting nothing' and Cameron will publically repeat 'We're winning the argument'. Cameron's patsy Parliamentary political party will repeat blindly, blandly 'We're winning the argument', tribal conservatives will enjoin the mantry 'We're winning the argument' and when it becomes clear that they haven't, they'll blame everyone and anyone other than themselves.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6693950082152211516.post-46208936144767618492014-01-12T14:10:49.104+00:002014-01-12T14:10:49.104+00:00Good one, things are about to go chaotic. Yesterd...Good one, things are about to go chaotic. Yesterday, I saw black swans overlooked by ravens. Demetriushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17198549581667363991noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6693950082152211516.post-26322612086726635242014-01-12T13:25:46.685+00:002014-01-12T13:25:46.685+00:00I don't mind at all Sue, thank you. Everything...I don't mind at all Sue, thank you. Everything posted on my bog is open to be copied.TheBoilingFroghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00791961503315586243noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6693950082152211516.post-79638560893447468112014-01-12T13:00:26.940+00:002014-01-12T13:00:26.940+00:00I hope you don't mind if I repost, all credit ...I hope you don't mind if I repost, all credit to you of course. Probably the most important post I've read in a long time, thank you.Suehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07165615283953837706noreply@blogger.com