tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6693950082152211516.post3503061667845869768..comments2023-10-26T00:08:26.205+01:00Comments on The Boiling Frog: Owen Paterson On EU ExitTheBoilingFroghttp://www.blogger.com/profile/00791961503315586243noreply@blogger.comBlogger11125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6693950082152211516.post-85259790311982050492014-11-25T17:27:33.969+00:002014-11-25T17:27:33.969+00:00Very true BF, he is in the same league as the blo...Very true BF, he is in the same league as the bloke from life of Brian who would have been set free to live on an island somewhere, then says "nah, just kidding, crucifixion really". Only Laughable as Camerons thinking often is, sadly because of its effect, it just is not funny at times.Jimhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00373005279697295131noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6693950082152211516.post-1357372724262429362014-11-25T17:00:04.466+00:002014-11-25T17:00:04.466+00:00Yes...yes. It corners Cameron nicely.
Paterson&#...Yes...yes. It corners Cameron nicely. <br /><br />Paterson's alternative gives Cameron exactly what he claims he wants. If Cameron doesn't heed the advice he is only going to look foolish in 2017 by failing to "renegotiate" successfully which increases our chances of leaving.<br /><br />It's better for him politically to leave the EU on his terms (rather than be "bumped" into it anyway). But then he's always been a poor politician so I guess he will ignore Paterson's advice.TheBoilingFroghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00791961503315586243noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6693950082152211516.post-21788108030088816772014-11-25T16:54:50.074+00:002014-11-25T16:54:50.074+00:00The Telegraph's position laid bare...The Telegraph's position laid bare...TheBoilingFroghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00791961503315586243noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6693950082152211516.post-23467903339183026912014-11-24T23:40:52.021+00:002014-11-24T23:40:52.021+00:00The Telegraph buried it under a stupid headline.
h...The Telegraph buried it under a stupid headline.<br />http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/conservative/11250723/Owen-Paterson-Tory-MPs-who-defect-are-stupid.htmlRoberthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12146467728776928724noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6693950082152211516.post-78034931201241983202014-11-24T19:43:55.215+00:002014-11-24T19:43:55.215+00:00Paterson’s interjection is a useful addition to br...Paterson’s interjection is a useful addition to broadening the debate. However, in my view it would be seen as suicidal by any mainstream party to enter a general election with a manifesto promise to invoke Article 50 upon forming a government. As things are currently presented, it would place in the hands of voters an option far too risky and finite to ever commit to.<br /><br />These unfortunate circumstances are completely unnecessary and avoidable - as a more careful reading of Article 50 elucidates. These is nothing whatsoever within the article which demands a State must leave the Union upon (and as a consequence of) invoking it. Any claim to this outcome is made up and cannot be substantiated by the article’s wording. <br /><br />In fact, when placed within the bounds of the Vienna Convention - which the Lisbon Treaty is legally circumscribed by - there are unambiguous and very succinctly-stated provisions for a State to rescind an invoked withdrawal article - for whatever its reasons and at whatever time - before its outcome takes legal effect.<br /><br />Had Paterson understood this (and had his council been wiser), he could have placed before the public - and his party - today a slightly different… safe and risk-free, mechanism for withdrawal which voters would find compelling at the ballot box of the general election.<br /><br />The mechanism which seeks to invoke Article 50 upon taking government BUT which clarifies to the public that this act commits the UK to nothing beyond negotiating an agreement with the EU which can then be accepted or rejected in a later referendum. Should the electorate reject the agreement, the UK has the automatic legal right to revoke the article and business carries on as usual.PeterSnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6693950082152211516.post-12577769804245118512014-11-24T17:02:50.423+00:002014-11-24T17:02:50.423+00:00I think he should listen, it nicely gets him off...I think he should listen, it nicely gets him off the hook for his renegotiation and referendum in 2017. Baically his renegotiation is the terms of the EFTA/EEA option, and low and behold he had managed to "negotiate a new deal for the UK and its relationship with europe" - all before the 2017 referendum and with out needing a treaty change. EXACTLY what he has promised. Jimhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00373005279697295131noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6693950082152211516.post-61338089513057523462014-11-24T16:51:59.384+00:002014-11-24T16:51:59.384+00:00"Whether Cameron listens is another matter&qu..."Whether Cameron listens is another matter" - If he listens he will ignore it because it is not what he wants. He has made clear his intention is to keep us in no matter whatAnonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13695627725676801692noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6693950082152211516.post-76030128369205137032014-11-24T15:26:13.144+00:002014-11-24T15:26:13.144+00:00Interesting how quickly the Graun and the Telegrap...Interesting how quickly the Graun and the Telegraph buried the story. The only hint of it on the Telegraph front page now is an anti-Brexit rant from Alex Proud.Pete Northhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04172420184509249126noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6693950082152211516.post-88197420805711137292014-11-24T15:17:29.136+00:002014-11-24T15:17:29.136+00:00It was a little irritating to see so much of the D...It was a little irritating to see so much of the DP programme wasted on a wild goose chase know-nothings discourse on immigration that was already guaranteed to follow already well-worn pathways and then sideline Paterson's intervention as an annexe to it.<br /><br />Then leaving him out in the cold while the talking studio heads discussed what they wanted to understand from it without any real appreciation of what was being suggested or the background behind it. However, Dominic Grieve seemed to be carefully tiptoeing around any requirement to understand what was being said and I think his stance showed he will be uncomfortable in publically acknowledging the legitimacy behind the Norway option.<br /><br />Certainly the emergence of a new (in the BBC's terms) branch of the debate seemed completely lost on Coburn.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6693950082152211516.post-24466833356234565182014-11-24T14:53:14.249+00:002014-11-24T14:53:14.249+00:00You're right, amended :-)You're right, amended :-)TheBoilingFroghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00791961503315586243noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6693950082152211516.post-3367647739452167202014-11-24T14:46:55.292+00:002014-11-24T14:46:55.292+00:00"they still fail to adequately address."..."they still fail to adequately address."<br /><br />Typo. Should read...<br /><br />"they still fail to address."Pete Northhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04172420184509249126noreply@blogger.com