tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6693950082152211516.post9183950188346853190..comments2023-10-26T00:08:26.205+01:00Comments on The Boiling Frog: The Judas Goat Strikes BackTheBoilingFroghttp://www.blogger.com/profile/00791961503315586243noreply@blogger.comBlogger18125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6693950082152211516.post-62918807480652368062012-11-29T16:37:39.168+00:002012-11-29T16:37:39.168+00:00@Cosmic, quite, I agree with your sentiments fully...@Cosmic, quite, I agree with your sentiments fullyTheBoilingFroghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00791961503315586243noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6693950082152211516.post-23536857337800718772012-11-29T16:11:10.557+00:002012-11-29T16:11:10.557+00:00TBF,
The ruling central core of the Conservative ...TBF,<br /><br />The ruling central core of the Conservative Party has been highly enthusiastic about "Europe", from the 50s.<br /><br />They've conducted a deception to keep supporters sweet. People want to believe that they might be, somehow, anti-EU in some way; not positively, uncritically enthusiastic about it all.<br /><br />If they came clean, they would lose a big chunk of their support. <br /><br />Their "now you see it, now you don't, the hand is swifter than the eye" approach has worked well and has sucked in and dissipated anti-EU sentiment and helped prevent it finding an dangerous outlet such as UKIP. However, it's running out of road fast. Partly, they are running out of people want to believe in them.<br /><br />I get the impression that Hannan and Johnson are responding to a call. Whoever made the call must be pretty desperate to think that such a ham-fisted and transparent gambit would be productive.cosmicnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6693950082152211516.post-78139173116203722792012-11-29T15:25:04.318+00:002012-11-29T15:25:04.318+00:00@Cosmic, The Tories have always had a schizophreni...@Cosmic, The Tories have always had a schizophrenic attitude to the EU...there's a great quote on my sidebar from Labour MP Hugh Gaitskell, October 1962, which still rings true now as it did then.<br /><br />The problem for the Tories is that the closer we integrate the harder it is for them to hide it.<br /><br />As for Hannan and Johnson, they know which side their bread is buttered...they only way they'll jump ship is when the power shifts to the people so much it makes it worth their while to jump ship.TheBoilingFroghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00791961503315586243noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6693950082152211516.post-67632449114900229202012-11-29T14:45:27.572+00:002012-11-29T14:45:27.572+00:00The problem the Tories have, particularly with reg...The problem the Tories have, particularly with regard to the EU, is being all things to all men. <br /><br />You can work that one for a time, but if you stick to it, you end up being nothing to anyone.<br /><br />You can't fool all the people all of the time.<br /><br />Now what is their policy on the EU exactly? "In Europe but not run by Europe" isn't a policy, it's a blandishment.<br /><br />I'm genuinely surprised that Hannan and Johnson have gone along with these abrupt about turns. I'd have thought both of them would have the gumption to see it would be counter-productive and do them no good.cosmicnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6693950082152211516.post-56667527568786634702012-11-29T14:07:54.781+00:002012-11-29T14:07:54.781+00:00@Robert You rightly raise a concern with Farage I ...@Robert You rightly raise a concern with Farage I would agree with. Any deal would cause the membership to collapse...but the temptation of ministerial office, and a place in the Lords and a deal with anyone other than Cameron (which has been mooted)- is that enough for Farage to stand his ground. I'm not so sure<br /><br />Agree about Myrtle and BorisTheBoilingFroghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00791961503315586243noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6693950082152211516.post-14506875940343528482012-11-29T14:02:17.302+00:002012-11-29T14:02:17.302+00:00Farage has said he will not deal with Cameron. I t...Farage has said he will not deal with Cameron. I think he will deal with some one else if he can get a seat in Westminster and a ministry.<br /><br />I notice Myrtle changing from out to 'negotiate'. So has Boris.Roberthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12146467728776928724noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6693950082152211516.post-19141313769744110112012-11-29T10:07:12.378+00:002012-11-29T10:07:12.378+00:00@Anon, I agree...if they did a deal I think their ...@Anon, I agree...if they did a deal I think their membership would collapseTheBoilingFroghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00791961503315586243noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6693950082152211516.post-73264473398483547562012-11-29T09:58:16.503+00:002012-11-29T09:58:16.503+00:00@Julia Gasper Thanks, re comments, it's been s...@Julia Gasper Thanks, re comments, it's been said a few times...for some reason Google changed it making it more difficult to read. I have tried turning it off but then I get hit with lots of spam. I might try again playing around again with the settings and see what I can do.TheBoilingFroghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00791961503315586243noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6693950082152211516.post-86980157109175703862012-11-29T00:41:27.856+00:002012-11-29T00:41:27.856+00:00Well said, Boiling Frog.
Daniel Hannan is a pointl...Well said, Boiling Frog.<br />Daniel Hannan is a pointless ditherer. He's in the wrong party and scared to leave. If they did allow a referendum, we could be sure that the EU would flood us with propaganda and it would contain a lot of false hopes about re-negotiation etc.<br /><br />BTW am I the only person who finds your captchas are getting harder and harder?Julia Gasperhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13295592860919659533noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6693950082152211516.post-13949459494687912502012-11-28T22:49:56.575+00:002012-11-28T22:49:56.575+00:00UKIP mist resist any deal with the Tories. Simple ...UKIP mist resist any deal with the Tories. Simple as that. Integrity is worth more than an empty promiseAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6693950082152211516.post-37963347821149237052012-11-28T22:17:13.097+00:002012-11-28T22:17:13.097+00:00@Mike Spilligan You're dead right. Sadly that ...@Mike Spilligan You're dead right. Sadly that arrogance is common place amongst Tories. I've stood as a UKIP candidate and the most common comment I received was 'you're stealing our votes'. Astonishing reallyTheBoilingFroghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00791961503315586243noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6693950082152211516.post-77664925156542972062012-11-28T21:10:22.481+00:002012-11-28T21:10:22.481+00:00Its a problem thoughout political parties. They t...Its a problem thoughout political parties. They think someone is "splitting the vote" of course its not true, nothing says that if this candidate did not stand i would vote for this one instead.<br /><br />UKIP is appealing to many none conservative voters, People vote because thats how they want to vote, they dont tend to vote "instead of". they may do so as a tactical one to keep another party out, but, its not usually how a person does make the desision in the end.<br />Jimhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00373005279697295131noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6693950082152211516.post-83212105781341307542012-11-28T20:48:52.330+00:002012-11-28T20:48:52.330+00:00I wouldn't give a flying fu*k about any deals ...I wouldn't give a flying fu*k about any deals between UKIP and the useless tories. I would vote for the raving loonies or Baldric before casting a blue vote.<br />The arrogant pricks actually think UKIP's votes belong to them?mikebravonoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6693950082152211516.post-38075501553023938542012-11-28T20:21:20.184+00:002012-11-28T20:21:20.184+00:00Some of the comments in the Telegraph mention the ...Some of the comments in the Telegraph mention the discredited "UKIP will split the Tory vote" Besides the arrogance of their assuming it's "their" vote, contrariwise it's the Tories who will dilute the UKIP vote.Mike Spilligannoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6693950082152211516.post-15428871708471718072012-11-28T19:53:19.777+00:002012-11-28T19:53:19.777+00:00As an ex-Tory party member, I wholeheartedly agree...As an ex-Tory party member, I wholeheartedly agree. Cameron is basically showboating and the media are letting him get away with it. thespecialonehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06514789597629728269noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6693950082152211516.post-42509926384591018902012-11-28T19:46:45.226+00:002012-11-28T19:46:45.226+00:00Agree with this one 100%
Also as Myrtle (love tha...Agree with this one 100%<br /><br />Also as Myrtle (love that name) rightly points out, its pointless the tory's offering and In/Out referendum, its a debased currency. So much to the point I think this morning you got 40 cast iron tory promises to the confederate dollarJimhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00373005279697295131noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6693950082152211516.post-29606827314839923682012-11-28T19:34:39.527+00:002012-11-28T19:34:39.527+00:00@JiC Thanks...@JiC Thanks...TheBoilingFroghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00791961503315586243noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6693950082152211516.post-10619983331167497632012-11-28T19:32:37.661+00:002012-11-28T19:32:37.661+00:00TBF, I agree entirely.TBF, I agree entirely.john in cheshirehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00179825507377423624noreply@blogger.com