tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6693950082152211516.post6264021857419483752..comments2023-10-26T00:08:26.205+01:00Comments on The Boiling Frog: "10 German Bombers..."TheBoilingFroghttp://www.blogger.com/profile/00791961503315586243noreply@blogger.comBlogger10125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6693950082152211516.post-38073716348662012862011-11-20T23:36:33.578+00:002011-11-20T23:36:33.578+00:00Thanks James, spot onThanks James, spot onTheBoilingFroghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00791961503315586243noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6693950082152211516.post-7819104410113647282011-11-18T21:33:26.582+00:002011-11-18T21:33:26.582+00:00Absolutely right TBF. But it is more than politic...Absolutely right TBF. But it is more than politicians and the civil service, especially the Foreign Office. It is also the judges, who go out of their way to enforce the decisions emanating from Europe, and the bosses of large businesses, who benefit from the corporatist EU system. <br /><br />The whole so-called elite are selling us and the sooner we are rid of the lot the better.Jamesnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6693950082152211516.post-33992533778002956602011-11-18T17:51:31.942+00:002011-11-18T17:51:31.942+00:00Whilst the machinations of M. Monnet were the driv...Whilst the machinations of M. Monnet were the driver of the Schumann plan of 1950, it struck something of a chord in the German political class because the idea of "European Economic Community" had already taken hold under the Third Reich. I translated a book of that name, a collection of papers from politics, economics, diplomacy, administration, industry and academia, which had been published in Berlin in 1942. <br /><br />The lead paper was by Walther Funk, Reichsminister for the Economy, Preisdent of the Reichsbank and Minister for Post War Planning, The scheme included many aspects of the EU we know today, including the euro although it was called the "Europagulden" and the Europa Bank was to be in Berlin rather than Frankfurt.<br /><br />In 1951, Adenauer's Minister of Commerce explained the post war European project as follows "Will free Europe join Germany? Germany is the heart of Europe and the limbs must adjust to the heart, not the heart to the limbs" .And so, here we are.<br /><br />In 1958 I was on a school trip to Hanover. My host and other German boys asked "Have you heard about our economic community? It will guarantee our living standard". Obviously they had learnt this in school.<br /><br />It was forty years later, when I translated "Europaeische Wirtschaftsgemeinschaft", that I found that former Reichsminister Funk had been set free early from his Nuremberg sentence on health grounds. He had got a position with the Education Ministry of Lower Saxony (a former Nazi stronghold) and I can only assume that it was his thoroughness which ensured that my German contemporaries were so "on message" (Dr. Goebbesl would have called it "gleichgeschaltet") about the wonders of the then EEC. (or EWG in German).Edward Spaltonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04168350315689612490noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6693950082152211516.post-47994938829090996122011-11-18T13:05:39.788+00:002011-11-18T13:05:39.788+00:00Spot on comment TT, I couldn't agree moreSpot on comment TT, I couldn't agree moreTheBoilingFroghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00791961503315586243noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6693950082152211516.post-16822681698729449522011-11-18T12:44:28.785+00:002011-11-18T12:44:28.785+00:00Evoking the last war is a blunder and plays into t...Evoking the last war is a blunder and plays into the hands of our enemies, who are not the French or the Germans, nor even their governments, but the traitors in our midst who have quietly betrayed this country's interests. Our struggle is in the present and for the future.Trooper Thompsonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01505221473081871071noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6693950082152211516.post-64918809470771706342011-11-18T12:23:19.890+00:002011-11-18T12:23:19.890+00:00@JiC Yes but it's worth remembering that both ...@JiC Yes but it's worth remembering that both Italy and Greece held the ultimate ace card namely "fine we'll default - let's see how you like them apples". That they didn't speaks volumes. They were prepared to step aside for the good of the project.<br /><br />Thus the EU is a project that is for the benefit of the political class - creating an us and them. And that's my main point; it's not a 'German Nazis dominates Europe' conspiracy but more something that permeates every countries' political class including our own.TheBoilingFroghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00791961503315586243noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6693950082152211516.post-67282818357865495552011-11-18T12:15:17.928+00:002011-11-18T12:15:17.928+00:00@TT Thanks
@EP, that is true, and I imagine press...@TT Thanks<br /><br />@EP, that is true, and I imagine pressures are being put on all countries particularly Germany. One thing to admire about Merkel is that she's doing the best for her country in the most impossible of situations, which as you suggest the same cannot be said of Cameron - who in my view is completely out of his depthTheBoilingFroghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00791961503315586243noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6693950082152211516.post-15099524224011945702011-11-18T12:06:16.614+00:002011-11-18T12:06:16.614+00:00WfW, while I'm in general agreement with you, ...WfW, while I'm in general agreement with you, it can't be denied that, as Mr Farage, the EU, with German and French complicity, removed two democratically elected leaders (in Greece and Italy) and replaced them with their own yes-men. Mr Cameron might try to use Fr. Merkel as his excuse but I suggest he is not trusted by most in our country. The Germans and the French are, however, pushing ahead with their agenda regardless of what our politicians might say.john in cheshirehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00179825507377423624noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6693950082152211516.post-45070270054981053932011-11-18T10:53:54.333+00:002011-11-18T10:53:54.333+00:00The extent to which the Germans or the EU put pres...The extent to which the Germans or the EU put pressure on Cameron is of course unknown.<br />I envisage he will come back from Berlin, waving a piece of paper, just like Chamberlain. "EU peace in our time".<br />One can just hope it works out like Chamberlain's piece of paper and is seen to be worthless in a few months' time resulting, hopefully, not in war, but our withdrawal from the EU when we decide enough is enough and stop appeasement.English Pensionerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15271488641341955140noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6693950082152211516.post-13680149565525011292011-11-18T10:48:54.158+00:002011-11-18T10:48:54.158+00:00Well said. It is, and has always been, about the e...Well said. It is, and has always been, about the enemy within.Trooper Thompsonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01505221473081871071noreply@blogger.com