Saturday, 30 June 2012

Battlelines Drawn?

"The one who does not remember history is bound to live through it again" George Santayana
For part of this afternoon, I've been reading the two-day debate in Parliament in 1991 which took place before the [EU] Intergovernmental Conference to produce what would become known as the 'Maastricht' treaty. It's fascinating stuff which often beggars belief - the same old arguments but more importantly the utter arrogance. It is a goldmine of quotes (some of which I'll add to my sidebar later). Here are just a few examples:
[Douglas] Hurd: Norway has not yet made a decision on whether she wants to enter the Community. She held a referendum that went the wrong way, but my hon. Friend is right in thinking that Norway may find an opportunity to reconsider. I do not yet know. 
Mr. Cash : [Mr. Kaufman] said that, when he went to the European Parliament in 1987, he was, to say the least, a reluctant European. Could he explain how, in the following five or six years, he has made such a massive transformation? Is it because he is hoping that there will be a socialist Europe?
Mr. Edward Heath: Today we must welcome the fact that the three major parties in this country all agree about the importance of the Community... It is in the interests of our businesses to have a single currency. Imagine what would happen if the rest of the Community had a single currency, and we were the only country without it. What would happen to our business men and our investment? The consequences would be unthinkable.
Rev. Ian Paisley: I also took part in the vote in the House in 1972. It comes ill from the lips of  [Mr. Heath] to say that he had a mandate to do what he did. I remember the cursing and threats--I saw one hon. Member being hammered over the head with an Order Paper. There was certainly no democracy in the House when it took that vital vote to go into Europe. Every hon. Member who took part in the debate knows that perfectly well. 
In just two days of debate, the sham of our so-called representative democracy was laid bare 21 years ago. Ted Heath correctly points out all three major parties agree with our membership. We were taken in on a lie, our continuing membership is based on lies, if not the complete truth - yet those in Parliament 'decide' that is in our interests regardless - that it believes that we must be governed by someone else - MP's giving power away lent to them temporarily by the voters.

As such, as Witterings from Witney consistently argues we now live in a form elected dictatorship - a view shared by Thatcher in the above debate:
Now, it looks to me as if three parties will be for a single currency and for sacrificing a great deal of the work that it has previously been the right of Parliament to do. How are the people to make their views known in this absence of choice? That was the particular point. My right hon. Friend will remember that our right hon. Friend the noble Lord Hailsham, made an interesting speech on elective dictatorship.
It's with this in mind that I refer to Cameron's article in the Telegraph (published Sunday) yet again promising a referendum (we've been here before) despite ruling out an in/out one a couple of days ago:
The Prime Minister uses an article in The Sunday Telegraph to say that Britain is in danger of getting swamped by EU legislation and bureaucracy which he would like to see scrapped. He makes clear for the first time that changes will need the “full-hearted support of the British people” down the line and adds: “For me the two words 'Europe’ and 'referendum’ can go together.” 
 'Real change' he calls it, but:
Mr Cameron argues that an in or out referendum is not the right choice because the “vast majority of the British people” wants changes to the current relationship with the EU.
Today was Armed Forces day, an opportunity to thank those who gave their lives trying to defend a system which meant that future generations could change their government without having to do the same. Cameron is one of many that is an example of how that sacrifice was betrayed.

The consequence of which are the rules of the game no longer apply, as Autonomous Mind writes
Dear reader, if you want power then it has to be taken back.  Our servants have made themselves our masters.  They will not give power away.  Rejecting these people is not enough, we have to defeat them.  The game has to be played differently.  The rules of the game no longer apply.
Cameron, Parliament nor the main parties are any longer the future - we have to defeat all of them.


  1. "Cameron, Parliament nor the main parties are any longer the future - we have to defeat all of them. "
    There was a twitter feed on PoliticsHome yesterday that reported Peter Kelner of YouGov telling the Fabian Conference that UKIP is on course to win a resounding victory in the 2014 EU Parliament elections.

    That may be what Cameron is reacting to - as well as the threat by 100 of his backbenchers. Whatever - he's not to be trusted.

    UKIP must keep up the pressure. We need to destroy the LibLabCONsensus and destroy the Elite who have betrayed the country with their policy of trapping us in a European Superstate against our Will. Personally, I'd like to see a few Ceaucescau moments - but as this is Britain, I guess we will have to be satisfied with some Portillo ones.

  2. Lovely post BF - I remember saving a speech from Paisley made during the Lisbon debate.

    Love him or loathe him he had the power of words and referred to the assurances made by previous governments on our fishing grounds.

    It is the complete and wholesale ignoring of the EU issues that enrage me - they are well aware that the EU is an expensive and undemocratic scam and they all go along with it.

  3. I love reading Hansard too :) How sad are we? It's extremely enlightening.

    The older stuff is even better!

    This is where you can see who the plotters are. It has a word search facility too. Try putting in superstate.

  4. @DeeDee99 Thanks I'd not seen that though it is a long way off. There does seem an air of panic within Tory circles at UKIP's pressure - good.

    Cheers BJ, and indeed regarding your last paragraph it leaves one making certain conclusions of who actually benefits from our membership...

    You're right Sue it is extremely enlightening. I know the actual Maastricht ones quite well - I attended a couple of debates in the public gallery, but I hadn't seen this IGC one before.

    The betrayal of our Parliament is there for all to see, sadly most don't bother to read it. Democracy is not a spectator sport, as is being very clearly proved

  5. I too have read the antecedents, going back to the club of rome and Heath was an utter traitor.